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Sent:
7/3/2004 11:54 AM |
In My travels I recently came across a disucssion on the
topic of when exactly is a slave a slave? If for
example, a girl isn't owned, doesn't have a Dominant or
Master, can she still be a slave? I came across the
answer below and thought I would share it with you. I'd
enjoy seeing your comments or responses to this as well.
Is A Slave a Slave Only When Owned?
This is an interesting question on so many
levels. It really makes a person think. Surely, the
quickest answer, the answer at perhaps its most basic
and simplistic is no, as the definition of a slave is
“One bound in servitude as the property of a person or
household.” (As defined in the 4th Edition of the
American Heritage Dictionary)
However, in the Internet community, where labels tend to
have a somewhat useful purpose in regards to identifying
what subset of the D/s culture one belongs, the answer
is, in my opinion, not that cut and dried. All slaves
are submissive. But not all submissives are slaves. It
is often easier and more accurately definitive, when
posed the question of “Where in the lifestyle do you
fall?” to answer with, “I’m a slave”…regardless of
whether or not you are owned at the time the question is
posed. It is clearly indicative of where your leanings
lie.
The case could be made that the better answer would be
“I’m predisposed towards slavery,” and yet that leaves
some wiggle room as far as interpretation by the other
person. It is also a mouthful. And what does that mean
to the other person? Does it mean that even though your
natural leanings (or predisposition) towards slavery
exist, that you could accept or be content in a form of
submission that falls short of complete and total
ownership?
I have met and spoken with many submissives who have
slave tendencies or for whom slavery has much appeal,
but yet, their natural inclination is not total
ownership, per se, but rather that feeling of deep
control and authority over them. Could not the term
“predisposed towards slavery” apply to them as well?
Especially when the other person embraces what I
consider to be consensual slavery in every way but the
term “slavery” itself?
The Internet has created a lot of confusion in regards
to labels, definitions, and the like. Yes, the Internet
has opened up a wealth of information for many and has
helped a lot of people, myself included, find who they
truly are. Prior to being owned by Ki, I knew that I
needed the yoke of slavery in order to reach my fullest
potential as a submissive and as a human being. I needed
it in order to find my peace and my center.
So, for me, when I was asked what I was or where I fell
in the D/s lifestyle, I answered simply, “I am an
unowned slave.” It was a simple answer. It was the
definitive answer. And even though at the time I was not
owned, and therefore not a slave in the strictest sense,
not a slave according the definition above, I was not
seeking to cheapen those out there who were living the
life of a slave. I was simply answering with my truth.
My very being needs to be a slave. I provided the answer
that best described who and what I am, what I needed,
where I saw myself within the lifestyle. I was also
providing enough information to discourage those for
whom total ownership of another person was not what they
were looking for.
shysweet said,
Quote:
if one can be a slave simply because they say or
feel that they are so, then that cheapens what it
truly means to be owned, and the life we as slaves
live.
But I have to beg to respectfully differ. One, another’s
words can only cheapen what I let it, what I give those
words power to demean, lessen or degrade. And two, I am
a consensual slave. I would not now live in the
condition of slavery if I did not feel that it is what I
need, what I believe in my hearts of hearts I am. To
live as a consensual slave has to start with the
would-be slave feeling that he or she is so…is a slave,
needs to be a slave, needs to live under the authority
of another person. That is the essence of consent and
therefore consensual slavery, as I see it. It has to
start with me saying that slavery is what I need, that a
slave is who and what I am.
To live in a way that is not true to my inner truth…now
that would truly cheapen, not only the state of
consensual slavery, but the state of whatever it was
that I was pretending to be, myself and my significant
other. My point is simply that I would not be an “owned”
slave had I not felt that I was so, had I not
acknowledged it first to myself and then sought to reach
for what I needed and, upon finding it, ceded my being
to another.
I may have made a muddle of this, but I really see both
sides of the coin on this topic. In the past, especially
early on in my life as Ki’s slave, yes, I sometimes felt
a bit of pique when I would see an online persona
bandying about how they were a slave. I will be the
first to admit that I would make snap judgments and if I
saw something that I viewed in them that was not
“slave-like” in my mind, I would feel that bit
of…hmmm…well, resentment, for them claiming to be
something that I felt they were not, for them daring to
call themselves a slave when they had not the first
inkling of what it was, how hard it was, how idealistic
they viewed the institution of slavery. I would think,
“Get a clue!”
But, I’ve grown up a bit since then. I’m not proud of
those thoughts or judgments, but I can’t deny that I had
them. I am a slave. That is my truth. I am secure in my
truth and therefore what others may do in the course of
their own personal journey to self-discovery doesn’t
bother me overly much. I made a lot of mistakes on my
way. I fought my needs for slavery because I feared it,
feared being this freak of nature. And by fighting it,
by denying it, I entered into a relationship that had no
chance of succeeding because the Dom in question wasn’t
after a slave, couldn’t provide me what I knew in my
heart I needed. We both got hurt and we both had to
stand before the other, with love still in our hearts,
and admit that we were not what we portrayed ourselves
as being. We thought we were being honest at the time,
but we were both running, in one form or another, from
the truths in our own hearts. We were not meant to be.
As much as I’d like to have all the answers, as much as
I’d like to spare others pain and heartbreak, there are
things that we all must discover on our own. So, when I
look at others now, I don’t feel resentment if they
think slavery is one thing over another, when they claim
to be the uber-submissive or uber-slave. I simply
remember my own mistakes and my own mis-steps and draw
from the security of knowing, finally, who and what I
am. What another is or claims to be, has no bearing on
my truths at all. For me, I am a slave, but I never
would have reached this point had I not woke up one day
willing to say it, willing to face the truth about
myself, had I not stood in front of the mirror and said,
“I am a slave.”
So, was I really? I was not owned…was I really a slave?
No. Honestly, in all literal senses of the word, I was
not. But I needed to be. Telling myself, believing it
and accepting it, was the first step in seeking what it
was that I truly needed. And now…yes, I am a slave.
Anyway, this probably should have been broken up into a
few different topics. I can ramble with the best of
them, I suppose. The thing is…if someone needs to say,
“I am a slave” in order to accept it about themselves,
I’m all for it. If someone uses it to describe their
needed submissive experience, I have no problem with it.
It can certainly cull the field quite quickly. But the
truth is, as shy has said and some others, that in order
to truly claim the term slave, ownership has to be
transferred to another. Until such a time, you are more
truly one seeking to live as a slave. But…and a big but,
sometimes you need to just say it, in order to digest
it, in order to accept it. And I just don’t think that
is out of place or a bad thing at all. “I am a slave”…it
was the single most powerful statement to me and the
most positive thing that I ever could have done for
myself.
Rambling Howls,
ici
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From:
вĕĺ_ëşçĺåve_ÇJ |
Sent:
7/3/2004 2:02 PM |
i don't think it
matters if you are owned or not..a slave is who you
are...what you are..how you feel...you don't have to be
owned to know you are a slave...yes when you aren't
owned you have to make your own decissions etc..but that
doen't mean you are not a slave..a slave is in you in
your heart..
being an owned slave
of course is a deeper feeling..a happier one for the
slave because she/he has the guidance ..support of her
One..but that doesn't make her any more of a slave then
an unowned one. It just gives her more support and the
ability to "feel" more like a slave..most slaves are not
truely happy until/unless they are owned..it brings out
the best in a slave to be owned...to know she/he is
pleaseing someone. to know someone cares about her/him..but
anyways....a slave is a slave owned or not.
bel_esclave_CJ
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From:
Đª®Ķ¤Ŵǿ£ƒ§_«£ĩļ¤šøµ£» |
Sent:
7/5/2004 12:05 PM |
i quite agree with bel. a slave is
not being owned or unowned. To me, that is merely a form
of symantics. Being slave is the essence of the one in
question. (i will say here, just to make it easier for
myself. i do realize and acknowledge that there are male
slaves too- it is in no way denying this fact of life.)
Her behavior, her thoughts, her speeech- all come
through. i believe that she wnats to please more deeply,
perhaps, and is more content when there is One at the
helm to make the decisions.
Am i slave? No, not in the sense
of this article. For now, i am a submissive, that with
the right One, would prefer to be slave. So for me,
right now being slave is appealing, but once owned, the
choices are almost nil that i could make. i know and am
honest enough to admit that yes, i can't give that up to
just anyone. i have to be able to have not only a strong
faith that i wil not be abused, but also, that the
Dominant wil be strong enough to be able to deal with
all aspects of me. By thta, i mean, my spirit and
personality, my moods, my fears, my opinions (of which i
have quite s few !! ).
It also means that He will be strong enough to be
consistent, to know which rules will work best for me,
as well as which forms of punishment. It means that He
will have the emotional and mental strength to answer
the endless questions that i no doubt would have.
So far, i have met 2 like that.
One, is Someone that i have known 3 years now, and
keep in touch with regularly through e mails, and phone
calls. He is One that had i been able to stay in Texas,
i most likely i would have been collared to and owned
by. There is Another, that while things did not turn out
as perhaps was initially hoped, i see in Him strength
and humor, and felt the force of His personality. i
wnated to please Him and craved to hear Him say ' good
girl', which to me, was music to my ears.
Not everyone is slave, but i do
believe that with the One that he/she submits to, if
that Dom is the right One, then yes, that submissive can
be slave, and be happy in his/her slavery, wanting only
to please, thinking more of his/her Master's needs all
the time, than of his/her own. In slavery, while i am
not yet at that point admittedly, i see hope of safety
in being prized and cherished, af being able to have
such a deep trust that i can let down my guard
completely. It is not always soemhting thta one is able
to do, but maybe, just maybe, thta is why many claim to
be slave? Because they crave to be in a relationship
where they can let down the walls totally, and yet still
be safe?
Just a bit of speculation on this
girl's part,
Respectfully,
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