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General : when is a slave a slave?  
 
 

     Message 1 of 3 in Discussion 
From: ÇJ_  (Original Message) Sent: 7/3/2004 11:54 AM
In My travels I recently came across a disucssion on the topic of when exactly is a slave a slave?  If for example, a girl isn't owned, doesn't have a Dominant or Master, can she still be a slave?  I came across the answer below and thought I would share it with you.  I'd enjoy seeing your comments or responses to this as well.
 
Is A Slave a Slave Only When Owned?

This is an interesting question on so many levels. It really makes a person think. Surely, the quickest answer, the answer at perhaps its most basic and simplistic is no, as the definition of a slave is “One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.” (As defined in the 4th Edition of the American Heritage Dictionary)

However, in the Internet community, where labels tend to have a somewhat useful purpose in regards to identifying what subset of the D/s culture one belongs, the answer is, in my opinion, not that cut and dried. All slaves are submissive. But not all submissives are slaves. It is often easier and more accurately definitive, when posed the question of “Where in the lifestyle do you fall?” to answer with, “I’m a slave”…regardless of whether or not you are owned at the time the question is posed. It is clearly indicative of where your leanings lie.

The case could be made that the better answer would be “I’m predisposed towards slavery,” and yet that leaves some wiggle room as far as interpretation by the other person. It is also a mouthful. And what does that mean to the other person? Does it mean that even though your natural leanings (or predisposition) towards slavery exist, that you could accept or be content in a form of submission that falls short of complete and total ownership?

I have met and spoken with many submissives who have slave tendencies or for whom slavery has much appeal, but yet, their natural inclination is not total ownership, per se, but rather that feeling of deep control and authority over them. Could not the term “predisposed towards slavery” apply to them as well? Especially when the other person embraces what I consider to be consensual slavery in every way but the term “slavery” itself?

The Internet has created a lot of confusion in regards to labels, definitions, and the like. Yes, the Internet has opened up a wealth of information for many and has helped a lot of people, myself included, find who they truly are. Prior to being owned by Ki, I knew that I needed the yoke of slavery in order to reach my fullest potential as a submissive and as a human being. I needed it in order to find my peace and my center.

So, for me, when I was asked what I was or where I fell in the D/s lifestyle, I answered simply, “I am an unowned slave.” It was a simple answer. It was the definitive answer. And even though at the time I was not owned, and therefore not a slave in the strictest sense, not a slave according the definition above, I was not seeking to cheapen those out there who were living the life of a slave. I was simply answering with my truth. My very being needs to be a slave. I provided the answer that best described who and what I am, what I needed, where I saw myself within the lifestyle. I was also providing enough information to discourage those for whom total ownership of another person was not what they were looking for.

shysweet said,

 

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if one can be a slave simply because they say or feel that they are so, then that cheapens what it truly means to be owned, and the life we as slaves live.




But I have to beg to respectfully differ. One, another’s words can only cheapen what I let it, what I give those words power to demean, lessen or degrade. And two, I am a consensual slave. I would not now live in the condition of slavery if I did not feel that it is what I need, what I believe in my hearts of hearts I am. To live as a consensual slave has to start with the would-be slave feeling that he or she is so…is a slave, needs to be a slave, needs to live under the authority of another person. That is the essence of consent and therefore consensual slavery, as I see it. It has to start with me saying that slavery is what I need, that a slave is who and what I am.

To live in a way that is not true to my inner truth…now that would truly cheapen, not only the state of consensual slavery, but the state of whatever it was that I was pretending to be, myself and my significant other. My point is simply that I would not be an “owned” slave had I not felt that I was so, had I not acknowledged it first to myself and then sought to reach for what I needed and, upon finding it, ceded my being to another.

I may have made a muddle of this, but I really see both sides of the coin on this topic. In the past, especially early on in my life as Ki’s slave, yes, I sometimes felt a bit of pique when I would see an online persona bandying about how they were a slave. I will be the first to admit that I would make snap judgments and if I saw something that I viewed in them that was not “slave-like” in my mind, I would feel that bit of…hmmm…well, resentment, for them claiming to be something that I felt they were not, for them daring to call themselves a slave when they had not the first inkling of what it was, how hard it was, how idealistic they viewed the institution of slavery. I would think, “Get a clue!”

But, I’ve grown up a bit since then. I’m not proud of those thoughts or judgments, but I can’t deny that I had them. I am a slave. That is my truth. I am secure in my truth and therefore what others may do in the course of their own personal journey to self-discovery doesn’t bother me overly much. I made a lot of mistakes on my way. I fought my needs for slavery because I feared it, feared being this freak of nature. And by fighting it, by denying it, I entered into a relationship that had no chance of succeeding because the Dom in question wasn’t after a slave, couldn’t provide me what I knew in my heart I needed. We both got hurt and we both had to stand before the other, with love still in our hearts, and admit that we were not what we portrayed ourselves as being. We thought we were being honest at the time, but we were both running, in one form or another, from the truths in our own hearts. We were not meant to be.

As much as I’d like to have all the answers, as much as I’d like to spare others pain and heartbreak, there are things that we all must discover on our own. So, when I look at others now, I don’t feel resentment if they think slavery is one thing over another, when they claim to be the uber-submissive or uber-slave. I simply remember my own mistakes and my own mis-steps and draw from the security of knowing, finally, who and what I am. What another is or claims to be, has no bearing on my truths at all. For me, I am a slave, but I never would have reached this point had I not woke up one day willing to say it, willing to face the truth about myself, had I not stood in front of the mirror and said, “I am a slave.”

So, was I really? I was not owned…was I really a slave? No. Honestly, in all literal senses of the word, I was not. But I needed to be. Telling myself, believing it and accepting it, was the first step in seeking what it was that I truly needed. And now…yes, I am a slave.

Anyway, this probably should have been broken up into a few different topics. I can ramble with the best of them, I suppose. The thing is…if someone needs to say, “I am a slave” in order to accept it about themselves, I’m all for it. If someone uses it to describe their needed submissive experience, I have no problem with it. It can certainly cull the field quite quickly. But the truth is, as shy has said and some others, that in order to truly claim the term slave, ownership has to be transferred to another. Until such a time, you are more truly one seeking to live as a slave. But…and a big but, sometimes you need to just say it, in order to digest it, in order to accept it. And I just don’t think that is out of place or a bad thing at all. “I am a slave”…it was the single most powerful statement to me and the most positive thing that I ever could have done for myself.

Rambling Howls,
ici
:wolf

 
      Message 2 of 3 in Discussion 
From: вĕĺ_ëşçĺåve_ÇJ Sent: 7/3/2004 2:02 PM
  i don't think it matters if you are owned or not..a slave is who you are...what you are..how you feel...you don't have to be owned to know you are a slave...yes when you aren't owned you have to make your own decissions etc..but that doen't mean you are not a slave..a slave is in you in your heart..
  being an owned slave of course is a deeper feeling..a happier one for the slave because she/he has the guidance ..support of her One..but that doesn't make her any more of a slave then an unowned one.  It just gives her more support and the ability to "feel" more like a slave..most slaves are not truely happy until/unless they are owned..it brings out the best in a slave to be owned...to know she/he is pleaseing someone. to know someone cares about her/him..but anyways....a slave is a slave owned or not.
                      bel_esclave_CJ

 


      Message 3 of 3 in Discussion 
From: Đª®Ķ¤Ŵǿ£ƒ§_«£ĩļ¤šøµ£» Sent: 7/5/2004 12:05 PM
i quite agree with bel. a slave is not being owned or unowned. To me, that is merely a form of symantics. Being slave is the essence of the one in question. (i will say here, just to make it easier for myself. i do realize and acknowledge that there are male slaves too- it is in no way denying this fact of life.) Her behavior, her thoughts, her speeech- all come through. i believe that she wnats to please more deeply, perhaps, and is more content when there is  One at the helm to make the decisions.
 
Am i slave? No, not in the sense of this article. For now, i am a submissive, that with the right One, would prefer to be slave. So for me, right now being slave is appealing, but once owned, the choices are almost nil that i could make. i know and am honest enough to admit that yes, i can't give that up to just anyone. i have to be able to have not only a strong faith that i wil not be abused, but also, that the Dominant wil be strong enough to be able to deal with all aspects of me. By thta, i mean, my spirit and personality, my moods, my fears, my opinions (of which i have quite s few !! ). It also means that He will be strong enough to be consistent, to know which rules will work best for me, as well as which forms of punishment. It means that He will have the emotional and mental strength to answer the endless questions that i no doubt would have.
 
So far, i have met 2 like that. One, is Someone that  i have known 3 years now, and  keep in touch with regularly through e mails, and phone calls. He is One that had i been able to stay in Texas, i most likely i would have been collared to and owned  by. There is Another, that while things did not turn out as perhaps was initially  hoped, i see in Him  strength and humor, and felt the force of His personality. i wnated to please Him and craved to hear Him say ' good girl', which to me, was music to my ears.
 
Not everyone is slave, but i do believe that with the One that he/she submits to, if that Dom is the right One, then yes, that submissive can be slave, and be happy in his/her slavery, wanting only to please, thinking more of his/her Master's needs  all the time, than of his/her own. In slavery, while i am not yet at that point admittedly, i see hope of safety in being prized and cherished, af being able to have such a deep trust that i can let down my guard completely. It is not always soemhting thta one is able to do, but maybe, just maybe, thta is why many claim to be slave? Because they crave to be in a relationship where they can let down the walls totally, and yet still be safe?
 
Just a bit of speculation on this girl's part,
Respectfully,

 

                                                         

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