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Weekly Topic/Class/Discussion Notes - Wednesday, November 16, 2011

Wednesday, November 16, 2011

Projects, Structure and Protocol within the Dominant submissive lifestyle

Class log  11-16-2011

[CJsHere] 9:08 pm: so,, all sit back,, hang on to your whips and chains,, let's see if we can't get this show on the road,, something tells Me I'm gonna have to step up the pace or I'll never get this topic talked about in an hour.. so here we go..
[CJsHere] 9:09 pm: and the topic,,,, lol.....
[CJsHere] 9:09 pm: Y’know, it’s kind of funny how in some ways, D/s or M/s relationships are sort of like regular relationships on steroids—added intensity and added consciousness.
[CJsHere] 9:10 pm: I’m not trying to do that “our relationships are sooo much more exciting than your paltry vanilla relationships” thing that so many kinksters like to do;
[CJsHere] 9:10 pm: I’m just pointing out that the degree of deliberate, explicit and concerted effort that I put into my D/s relationships is way beyond anything else I’ve ever experienced in a non-D/s context.
[CJsHere] 9:11 pm: It’s actually an enormous amount of work. The payoff happens to be spectacular and it is to my taste—I wouldn’t be willing to invest this amount of myself if it weren’t, and I can totally see how if the payoff wasn’t your thing, this type of relationship would hold no real allure.
[CJsHere] 9:11 pm: I guess I’m just explaining this because it feels like I spend a lot of time writing about the intricacies of these relationships in a way that’s reflective of my reality but that might appear mildly obsessive. I suppose it is. Healthy obsessive, mind you, but yeah, it takes up a lot of space in my head.
[CJsHere] 9:12 pm: I’m an intense person, and I connect with other intense people, and that makes for intense relationships; that translates, for me, into a rather intense degree of reflection on the way those relationships can be structured and maintained so as to function optimally.
[CJsHere] 9:13 pm: Ongoing D/s ain’t for everyone, and it ain’t for me unless the people I’m involved with are an absolutely excellent match (and, like me, are inclined towards D/s).
[CJsHere] 9:13 pm: I might liken it to the intense degree of focus and effort that some people put into their hobbies. For some folks, the obsession is painting, or dance, or antique typesetting, or soccer.
[CJsHere] 9:13 pm: For me, it’s dominant/submissive dynamics and human sexuality.
[CJsHere] 9:14 pm: So. Insert standard disclaimer here: all of what we're talking about this evening presumes a fully consensual, desired, mutually agreed-upon and discussed relationship framework, and...
[CJsHere] 9:14 pm: further, presumes that the people doing it are really enjoying themselves in this framework and feel utterly free to state (communicate) at any time if they are beginning to feel otherwise.
[CJsHere] 9:15 pm: Right-o. So my job, as a dominant in a 24/7 relationship, is to govern with my girls’ well-being and fulfillment in mind while enjoying the heck out of myself;
[CJsHere] 9:15 pm: their job, as the submissive, is to be receptive and obedient to that governance, and to fully engage in the process by means of honest communication, feedback, suggestion, questions as needed, and so forth.
[CJsHere] 9:16 pm: While of course, enjoying the heck out of themselves. In case it’s not abundantly clear, I’m not of the mindset that submissives can’t ask questions or challenge my decisions.
[CJsHere] 9:16 pm: and yes, that goes for slaves as well. ;)
[skye_Rod] 9:16 pm: really Sir?
[skye_Rod] 9:17 pm: challenging is ok...?
[Rod] 9:17 pm: shes new here CJ
[CJsHere] 9:17 pm: why wouldn't it be? if it wasn't, wouldn't that be counterproductive to the basic building blocks of any D/s relationship... but,, allow Me to finnish My thought on this,,
[skye_Rod] 9:17 pm: no i'm not Sir Rod..... just thought that was a cool concept
[skye_Rod] 9:17 pm: sorry to interrupt Sir CJ
[CJsHere] 9:18 pm: In the framework of these relationships, it’s understood that I have the final say, and that all discussion must be conducted with respect and in a spirit of trust and goodwill, but that doesn’t mean there’s no possibility for discussion. (and no skye,, interupt all you want, shows you're at least listening and paying attention)
[CJsHere] 9:19 pm: I realize it doesn’t work this way for everyone, but for me and for many others, 24/7 D/s—as in, ongoing D/s that extends well beyond the bounds of the sexual—might be seen as two or more people coming together to indulge in a fetish for constant improvement.
[CJsHere] 9:19 pm: Note that I said “two or more,” and not “a submissive or slave.”
[CJsHere] 9:19 pm: The question of constant improvement applies to the dominant, too—or at least, if the dominant wants to retain any credibility with the submissive, they better be doing something worthwhile that’s congruent with the values they impress upon the submissive,
[CJsHere] 9:20 pm: not just sitting around saying “do as I say, not as I do.”
[The Lounge]: ladisub has entered at 9:20 pm
[CJsHere] 9:21 pm: This might mean improvement, or it might mean maintenance. Either way the principle remains the same. It’s amazing to note the degree to which managing someone else’s well-being can inspire one to manage one’s own well-being better!
[CJsHere] 9:22 pm: Of course this greatly depends on the nature of the dynamic. If a dominant takes up ownership of or responsibility for various elements of a submissive’s life—say, sexuality, spirituality, intellectual pursuits and appearance—
[CJsHere] 9:22 pm: but largely leaves the submissive’s health, fitness and finances up to them, then perhaps the question of maintaining well-being is not so directly important to the dynamic.
[CJsHere] 9:23 pm: But in that case, the dominant would probably still lose credibility if he or she were not a sexual explorer in his or her own right, did not have a spiritual practice, didn’t pursue his or her own intellectual projects, and couldn’t be bothered taking care of his or her appearance.
[CJsHere] 9:24 pm: It’s difficult to take up the management of someone else’s life if you can’t manage your own, or at the very least, the areas of your own life that match up with the areas of your submissive’s in which you hope to exert an influence.
[CJsHere] 9:25 pm: In the context of an ongoing D/s or M/s relationship, or at least, within my own relationships, I’ve observed that there are three different mechanisms for governing the submissive person’s behavior while indulging in the constant-improvement / ongoing-maintenance fetish. and now to the real meat of the topic,,,,
[CJsHere] 9:25 pm: Those three mechanisms are projects, structure and protocol.
[CJsHere] 9:25 pm: I’ve noticed that when one of those things is lacking, the relationship tends to feel out of whack, slightly off, not quite right.
[CJsHere] 9:25 pm: The “bad” news is that it takes a fairly constant degree of vigilance to keep everything in balance. The good news is that things are fairly easy to fix if you pay attention to them, or at least they have been for me.
[CJsHere] 9:26 pm: Let's see if I can't break down those three mechanisms and explain them a bit more...
[CJsHere] 9:26 pm: First,, Projects
[CJsHere] 9:26 pm: Projects are finite endeavors with a defined goal in mind. Much like in the corporate world (don’t laugh!), projects should be created and managed according to SMART criteria:
[CJsHere] 9:27 pm: they should be Specific, Measurable, Action-oriented, Realistic and Time-bound (SMART). Here are some questions to ask for a project you might want to take on…
[CJsHere] 9:28 pm: yes, a lot of this tonight sounds like it's directed to the Dom's, and yes, it is,, but girls, you need to know what is going on, the how's and why's so to speak, so you can know what to expect in your relationship.. to recognize the danger signals when something is going amiss.
[CJsHere] 9:28 pm: Specific: Is it specific? Can you define its goals? Can you define the precise methods and steps you’ll use to reach them? Measurable: Is your project measurable?
[CJsHere] 9:29 pm: Is there a concrete way for you to know whether or not you’ve achieved your goals? Is there a concrete time frame in which that measurement will take place? What are the consequences if the results don’t measure up to your expectations?
[CJsHere] 9:29 pm: Action-oriented: Can you break down your project into actions and make a list of those actions such that, if followed, the goal is sure (barring major disaster) to be attained?
[CJsHere] 9:30 pm: Realistic: Do you have the resources you need (advice, information, cash, time, energy, health, knowledge…) available to you? If not, can you come up with them?
[CJsHere] 9:30 pm: Are you able to prioritize your project such that you actually meet your deadlines? Time-bound: Have you a set deadline by which your project should be finished?
[CJsHere] 9:30 pm: Can you plan your work back from that deadline and integrate the project’s steps into your life so that you meet that deadline?
[CJsHere] 9:31 pm: Let's use a hypothetical example.. a project I plan to assign to a girl when she hits a lull in her work is to have her take a ten-week Thai cooking class to learn how to make at least four new dishes that are pleasing to me. This project is…
[CJsHere] 9:31 pm: Specific: She will research available classes, register for a class, take the class, learn how to make a number of new dishes, and then together we’ll figure out which ones please me, with the goal being to find four that are to my liking.
[CJsHere] 9:32 pm: Measurable: Once she’s done, she’ll actually have the skills and knowledge to make those four dishes and can then do so at my request. I will ask for one dish on a designated night weekly for the following two or three months to select the four I like best.
[CJsHere] 9:32 pm: Action-oriented: The project can be broken down into concrete steps such as researching the available local classes, registration, acquisition of supplies, transportation to the class, attendance at the class, and so forth.
[CJsHere] 9:33 pm: Realistic: The reason I’m not asking her to do this right now is that her schedule’s so darn packed there’s no way she could fit it in without adding considerable stress; she’s also working on a couple of other projects for me already.
[CJsHere] 9:33 pm: One must account for the limitations of real life (no matter how much one likes yummy Thai food). So it’ll wait for a time when it can realistically be worked into her life.
[CJsHere] 9:33 pm: We’ll also need to select a class that we can afford, that’s within easy travelling distance, and so forth.
[CJsHere] 9:34 pm: Time-bound: The class will have a distinct start and end date, followed by a set number of once-weekly meals.
[CJsHere] 9:34 pm: Ta-daaa! Projects are about the future.
[CJsHere] 9:35 pm: If projects are lacking, the relationship has no forward motion, no growth. The submissive may begin to feel neglected, as though there is nothing new for them to learn, no fresh ways to serve, no tangible improvement, no sense of significant accomplishment.
[CJsHere] 9:36 pm: Dominant/submissive dynamics are all about development; stagnation will kill a D/s relationship much like it will kill any other sort of relationship, only potentially faster and more painfully.
[CJsHere] 9:36 pm: D/s is not just about spending time together and enjoying one another’s company. It’s about a very particular form of relating that’s powerful, intense and unusual.
[skye_Rod] 9:36 pm: it does help to have new goals once others are accomplished Sir.
[skye_Rod] 9:37 pm: i.e. new ways of serving
[CJsHere] 9:37 pm: nods in agreement,
[brandy] 9:37 pm: i always thought D/s is more volatile..but in a good way..
[CJsHere] 9:37 pm: It’s full of energy that needs to be channeled somewhere for the benefit of both the submissive and the dominant and in many (though not all) cases, also for that of the family, tribe, community or world at large.
[skye_Rod] 9:38 pm: nods... the desire to serve needs to go somewher... need someway to serve..
[skye_Rod] 9:38 pm: past doing the dishes.. new ways to make our Doms smile.....
[skye_Rod] 9:38 pm: keeps things interesting
[CJsHere] 9:38 pm: If we use the metaphor of a painting, “projects” are like the finishing touches, the depth and texture, the flourishes that turn a picture on a canvas into a true work of art.
[CJsHere] 9:38 pm: If we took the metaphor of dance, projects would be the study of refined technique and the perfecting of specialized moves—or perhaps, the careful and repetitive practice of a move that’s particularly challenging until it can be done with ease.
[CJsHere] 9:38 pm: Projects are the above-and-beyond, the quest for excellence rather than simply existence.
[irishgirl_JT] 9:39 pm: i think attending these classes are like a project for my Master...i must report what was taught each time
[CJsHere] 9:39 pm: nods, but see if it fits the SMART criteria irish, ;)
[CJsHere] 9:39 pm: Some projects may transition into long-term, ongoing work, or the results of a project may then need to be maintained, in which case a project may morph into an element of the next mechanism:
[CJsHere] 9:39 pm: next, let's talk about structure.
[CJsHere] 9:40 pm: For example, I started a girl out with a project to increase her ability to stay in a kneeling position without pain or complaint when necessary in my presence.
[CJsHere] 9:40 pm: I assigned her 10 minutes each day of kneeling on a hard floor to get her legs accustomed to the position, and required her to report to me and let me know when pain or discomfort set in.
[CJsHere] 9:41 pm: She started at about 7 minutes of comfort before her feet would fall asleep or her knees begin to ache. We’ve gradually scaled this up, and her flexibility and stamina has increased to the point where she can hold the position for nearly 15 minutes before feeling any discomfort.
[CJsHere] 9:41 pm: The original goal—to have her stamina improve so that she would remain pain-free during her everyday instances of kneeling for me—has been achieved,
[CJsHere] 9:42 pm: but the routine has remained part of her everyday. It has become .a ) an opportunity to maintain her increased stamina on an ongoing basis,
[CJsHere] 9:42 pm: and .b ) a moment of time each day where she experiences and expresses her submission to me regardless of how far apart we are, geographically speaking.
[CJsHere] 9:43 pm: These are very different from the original goal of the project, which was purely practical in nature.
[CJsHere] 9:43 pm: next, let's talk about structure.
[CJsHere] 9:43 pm: Structure is a set of daily, weekly or otherwise ongoing and regular routines designed to reinforce the D/s dynamic by creating and maintaining a certain focus or headspace,
[CJsHere] 9:43 pm: to provide regular opportunity for concrete expectation and the simple mutual pleasure of its fulfillment, and (in some cases) to get everyday tasks accomplished to the dominant’s satisfaction.
[CJsHere] 9:44 pm: Structure can include elements of the basic maintenance of the submissive’s health and well-being; by holding the submissive to those sorts of structure-based requirements, the dominant indicates his or her care for the submissive and shows expectation for the submissive’s self-care.
[CJsHere] 9:44 pm: I see this sort of thing as one element of “protecting the property,” a handy phrase I found in the book Slavecraft by a grateful slave and Guy Baldwin.
[CJsHere] 9:45 pm: Structure can also serve as a barometer for the relationship: if regular, simple expectations are not being met on the part of the submissive, something’s probably going wrong and needs to be checked on.
[CJsHere] 9:45 pm: Same goes for if the dominant is finding it difficult to enforce structure.
[CJsHere] 9:46 pm: These “failures” may indicate exhaustion, underlying relationship tension, miscommunication about expectations, or any number of other challenges that need to be dealt with via honest communication and sincere efforts toward repair.
[CJsHere] 9:46 pm: For example, every night I lay out clothing for a girl to dress in the next morning so that I have the pleasure of picking her clothes;
[CJsHere] 9:46 pm: the process is definitely enjoyable to me, especially since she’s such a hottie when wearing them, and she has the pleasure of wearing something that reinforces my ownership of her and leaves my mark on her all day long.
[CJsHere] 9:47 pm: For her part, every morning she lays out my breakfast dishes, and each time we first greet at home in the evenings she brings me her collar.
[CJsHere] 9:47 pm: She’s also in charge of a number of regular domestic tasks, such as doing groceries (ensuring that my preferred staples never run out), taking out the garbage, making at least one healthful dinnertime meal per week for us to share, folding and putting away my clothing, and so forth.
[CJsHere] 9:48 pm: I also require that she devote a certain amount of time each week to specific self-care activities, and with some well-chosen exceptions (heh heh) I enforce a bedtime that ensures she’ll get enough sleep in order to function well at her day job, for which she gets up at an ungodly hour of the morning.
[CJsHere] 9:48 pm: Structure is about the present, in a general sense.
[CJsHere] 9:48 pm: If structure is lacking, the relationship feels formless; there’s nothing in particular that would cause the partners to experience that relationship as a power-based one. In a sense, without structure, the D/s can’t really be ongoing.
[CJsHere] 9:49 pm: You can enjoy D/s on an occasional basis with someone, of course, but the feature that takes D/s from a “let’s do this on Saturday night” thing to a
[brandy] 9:50 pm: and along with being a more volatile relationship, D/s is work!
[CJsHere] 9:50 pm: “this is who we are to each other all the time” thing is that the dominant begins to reach into the submissive’s life even when the submissive is not present, and she or he holds a regular presence there in the form of requirements the submissive is expected to meet all the time.
[CJsHere] 9:51 pm: With a girl l share her concept of “default values” early in our relationship, and while it applies in various places, I’ve found it particularly valuable in the realm of creating routines as part of structure—
[CJsHere] 9:51 pm: as in, creating rules that state that any girl I own is expected to do certain things unless told or given permission otherwise.
[CJsHere] 9:51 pm: Again, let me be clear that this is not a hierarchy of validity—
[CJsHere] 9:52 pm: weekend forays into D/s or entire relationships that play out only in specific time frames (a week-long visit two or three times a year, say) are perfect for the chemistry that exists between many folks.
[CJsHere] 9:52 pm: 24/7 is not for everyone. In 24/7, though, structure is the fabric of the relationship, the baseline, and the relationship itself is ongoing.
[CJsHere] 9:52 pm: A submissive who’s oriented toward 24/7 but lacking a structure provided by a dominant will, oddly enough,
[CJsHere] 9:52 pm: often gravitate towards either creating their own structure in order to maintain the emotional connection and charge of the dominant’s influence (“every night before bed, I’ll kneel and think of you”),
[CJsHere] 9:53 pm: or they will fall away from structure such that they only really “feel” the relationship when the two people are together.
[CJsHere] 9:53 pm: In these circumstances, and particularly with the latter, the submissive doesn’t experience the dominant as being particularly relevant to their everyday lives or present in an ongoing way; for someone oriented to 24/7 dynamics this can be distressing.
[CJsHere] 9:54 pm: Single submissives sometimes create structure for themselves, framing it in ways that sound like “I work out daily to stay in shape so that I can be pleasing to and capable of serving a potential future dominant.”
[CJsHere] 9:54 pm: To continue with the painting metaphor, structure is the stretcher, the canvas, the gesso, the base coats of paint, the outline of an image—the stuff without which the painting simply couldn’t happen. In dance, it’s the basic steps and rhythm.
[CJsHere] 9:55 pm: Some elements of structure, particularly the more detail-oriented and interactive ones, may begin to overlap with or morph into the next mechanism: protocol.
[CJsHere] 9:55 pm: and finally, Protocol
[CJsHere] 9:55 pm: Protocols are the “how” of what’s done, rather than the “what.”
[CJsHere] 9:56 pm: Anyone can do something nice for someone else; the difference between an egalitarian act and an act of service shaped by D/s is the protocol that lends that act a flavor of deliberateness, consciousness, respect and formality (the latter to varying degrees depending on circumstance).
[CJsHere] 9:56 pm: Protocols are specific, and at times elaborate or nitpicky, ways of interacting that make it impossible to forget the context in which a given act is being carried out.
[CJsHere] 9:57 pm: For example, let’s take the idea of making and serving up dinner. On its own, that act is a “what.” Anyone can make dinner for a friend or lover and serve it to them.
[skye_Rod] 9:57 pm: they are usually fairly particular to the couple right Sir?
[CJsHere] 9:58 pm: yes, they can be very specific to a specific couple, or perhaps they might be to a specific task (Project), or maybe even for an activity or event,, even such as here in Asj,
[CJsHere] 9:58 pm: The “how” is what makes it different when my girls make dinner.
[CJsHere] 9:58 pm: For them, serving dinner involves setting the table according to my preference (including appropriate cutlery and candles), giving me a five-minute warning before dinner is served (in a respectful tone and using specific forms of language),
[CJsHere] 9:59 pm: escorting me to the table, pulling out my chair, laying my napkin on my lap, waiting for permission to sit, eating only after I’ve taken the first bite, employing specific table manners, requesting permission to leave the table as needed, standing if I stand to leave the table, and so forth.
[CJsHere] 9:59 pm: I happen to be a slow eater, so their protocols also involve them matching their eating pace to mine so that we enjoy our meal together and they don’t finish half an hour before me. These things are protocols.
[CJsHere] 9:59 pm: Protocol is about the immediate moment. If protocol is lacking, then when the two people are together, the relationship looks and feels no different from a vanilla one.
[CJsHere] 10:00 pm: Protocol is a moment-by-moment shaping of behavior and “flavoring” of interaction that keeps the power relations concrete and tangible at all times. It is a fine-tuned manner of expressing respect for each person’s role in the relationship.
[CJsHere] 10:01 pm: They may involve details of behavior, language use, body posture, dress, greeting, and many other areas. Protocol is not simply about the way the submissive approaches or interacts with the dominant;
[CJsHere] 10:01 pm: it’s also, though perhaps more subtly, about the way the dominant receives or responds to the submissive, including the enforcement of protocol (i.e. creating it in the first place, correcting it when it’s faulty or sloppy, and so forth).
[CJsHere] 10:02 pm: Protocol takes everday interactions and elevates them to a level of consciousness that holds the participants in a specific headspace that is pleasurable to all concerned.
[CJsHere] 10:02 pm: Again, the painting metaphor: protocol has nothing to do with the size or style of the art created.
[CJsHere] 10:02 pm: It’s about the care taken in choosing each brush and tool, maintaining them with carefully tailored cleaning rituals, using practiced and refined techniques to achieve specific results,
[CJsHere] 10:03 pm: taking joy in every last deliberate detail involved in making the work one of quality, and extending that approach of care and quality to the equipment, the studio and the supplies that are used.
[CJsHere] 10:03 pm: In dance, protocol would be the small but highly studied bodily movements that make a dance flow perfectly, the exact turn of a wrist or placement of a foot, the tiny details that make all the difference.
[CJsHere] 10:04 pm: When each of these mechanisms is used consistently, successful 24/7 is guaranteed. (Hah! No, I’m kidding of course… tons of other factors come into play there).
[Rod] 10:04 pm: haha
[CJsHere] 10:04 pm: But in my experience I’d say that these relationship management strategies, which in many ways borrow from strategies employed in other areas of human society that have nothing to do with sex or intimate relationships...
[CJsHere] 10:05 pm: do create a framework that can lend clarity to a dominant/submissive dynamic. That can provide both a language with which to troubleshoot when things start feeling like they’re going off track and a structure into which new ideas and experiences can be plugged for maximum benefit.
[CJsHere] 10:05 pm: phew,, I think I got it all... There it is, people. The result of much percolation. As always, I’m interested in your comments… don’t be shy!
[CJsHere] 10:06 pm: (and got it all in, right at one hour. lol)
[CJsHere] 10:06 pm: Dom's, Your thoughts, comments,, anything you want to add?
[jane_DB] 10:06 pm: i have a question, Sir
[CJsHere] 10:06 pm: yes jane,
[jane_DB] 10:07 pm: what would You do if You required a girl to do something a certain way, but she was unable to? like cooking, what if all she can cook is eggs? ruins everything else.
[Rod] 10:07 pm: eat a lot of eggs?
[CJsHere] 10:08 pm: lol.. that's not a new one,,,, but the first thing I guess I'd have to do is roll up My sleeves and teach her,, sounds like a place for communication, patience, persistence,,
[CJsHere] 10:08 pm: and believe it or not, that is not uncommon, especially with a younger girl.
[brandy] 10:08 pm: jane, B/both adapt..He can learn to live without certain foods for awhile, and she can take classes to learn to cook and get confidence in the kitchen..right Sir?
[jane_DB] 10:08 pm: Sir, i've tried making bacon for Master several times. it's always either overdone or underdone, with seconds separating the two.
[skye_Rod] 10:08 pm: anyone can learn at least a degree of understanding and skill at most anything with enough time and patience.
[CJsHere] 10:08 pm: nope,, that's why I'm poly, lol. ;) (only kidding)
[b-e-g] 10:09 pm: Good Evening Sir CJ....sorry i was late to class, but one thing i'd like to have clarified....this "dance" of D/s requires just as much committment from the Dom as the sub, correct?
[CJsHere] 10:09 pm: you missed My earlier comment beg,, np.. but the emphasis for this evening was more on the Dominants role and responsibility,, but yes, a heavy overlap to both.
[irislady] 10:09 pm: consistency consistency consistency if i dont find a Dom who is consistent our relationship will fail great class Sir yet again. Wonderful teacher You are Sir !!!
[CJsHere] 10:11 pm: but,, to expound a bit,, janes example is a good one,,, no, perhaps not just the specific ,, but in general. think about it,,
[CJsHere] 10:11 pm: but,, to expound a bit,, janes example is a good one,,, no, perhaps not just the specific ,, but in general. think about it,,
[CJsHere] 10:11 pm: the odds are pretty high, a girl goes to live with a Dom,, and there's goign to be dozens of things she's going to have to learn,,
[irishgirl_JT] 10:11 pm: Sir CJ...could you briefly explain the structure again
[CJsHere] 10:12 pm: unless the Dom can teach her, or provide for a way for her to learn, IMHO, He needs to change His expectations.
[CJsHere] 10:12 pm: Dom's,, anything else you'd like to add or comment on?
[skye_Rod] 10:13 pm: i still think that anyone can learn at least a degree of understanding and skill at just about anything with enough time and patience...
[irishgirl_JT] 10:13 pm: Irishgirl jumping up and down waving hand
[CJsHere] 10:13 pm: fire, anything you'd like to add or comment on?
[irishgirl_JT] 10:13 pm: HELLLOOOOOO
[CJsHere] 10:14 pm: anyone else have any questions or comments?
[irishgirl_JT] 10:14 pm: yes...
[Rod] 10:14 pm: just irish
[irishgirl_JT] 10:14 pm: sigh
[CJsHere] 10:14 pm: as always, I do appreciate you're being here this evening,, always good to se you,,, I do see some new faces, so if there is someone you haven't met yet,, please make it a point to introduce yourself.
[Rod] 10:14 pm: irish has a question CJ
[skye_Rod] 10:14 pm: Sir CJ irish has a question...
[CJsHere] 10:15 pm: ask away irish,
[irishgirl_JT] 10:15 pm: could you please just briefly explain the structure again
[CJsHere] 10:16 pm: anything special about it?
[irishgirl_JT] 10:16 pm: how that fits in..i got the rest
[irishgirl_JT] 10:17 pm: structure is like the daily training from my Master?
[CJsHere] 10:17 pm: structure in many ways, you can compare to the rules..
[CJsHere] 10:17 pm: those are the guideline the relationship functions under,
[irishgirl_JT] 10:17 pm: ahhhhhh now i get it
[irishgirl_JT] 10:17 pm: now
[irishgirl_JT] 10:17 pm: sorry