Wednesday, November 3, 2011
A World of Absolutes & Tips for Novice sub/slaves
Class log 11-03-2011
[CJsHere] 9:04 pm: spins the wheel... round and round it goes, where it stops,, CJ knows.. tick tick, tick, tick,
[CJsHere] 9:05 pm: stops the wheel,, to heck with the wheel.. I think I'll just come out and pick a topic this evening,
[CJsHere] 9:05 pm: guess I'll mix and match a bit,,
[CJsHere] 9:05 pm: anyone notice the article on the members only home page,, what makes a good Dominant?
[irislady] 9:06 pm: yes Sir i read it
[laynie] 9:06 pm: yes Sir
[skye_Rod] 9:06 pm: yes Sir
[Rod] 9:06 pm: I as well
[fire_AsjFG] 9:06 pm: yes Master
[CJsHere] 9:06 pm: as I recall, the article starts off... Wow, what a daunting question… “What makes a good Dominant?” It’s like trying to describe DNA in great detail. Being Dominant is complex, detailed,
[CJsHere] 9:06 pm: hmm, that sounds about the same way you'd describe what makes a good D/s relationship.
[CJsHere] 9:07 pm: D/s relationships, like DNA, they're all rather unique,,
[CJsHere] 9:07 pm: complex.. I don't think that begins to describe it,
[CJsHere] 9:07 pm: so yes, I guess I'd have to say it's a rather daunting question,,
[CJsHere] 9:08 pm: One thing I have found out, regardless of how you've tailored your individual D/s relationship, it's pretty much a world of absolutes, or at least it should be.
[CJsHere] 9:09 pm: the world around us is one of situational ethics and malleable values. Everything is relative to the moment. The professed standards for today are compromised tomorrow for the sake of expediency.
[CJsHere] 9:09 pm: Some people thrive in an environment like that, while others feel as if cast adrift, struggling to stay afloat by clinging to a few straws of consistency.
[CJsHere] 9:10 pm: Some of us find those straws in a Dominant/submissive relationship.
[CJsHere] 9:10 pm: A Dominant submissive lifestyle is one of absolutes. One's role in life is precisely defined. Obligations and privileges are spelled out in unambiguous terms. Two people enter into a partnership where one will take the lead, and the other will follow in support.
[CJsHere] 9:11 pm: There are no vacations, no time outs, no reversal of positions
[CJsHere] 9:11 pm: Laws and rights are irrelevant; no outside agency dictates how they will live. The structure of their lives together is based on the trust, and faith, each one has in the other.
[CJsHere] 9:12 pm: A Dominant leads...
[CJsHere] 9:12 pm: Not just when it's easy or fun. There are no breaks because he is tired. There are no open and closing times; it is a 24 hour per day occupation.
[CJsHere] 9:12 pm: He answers her questions, every one, every time. She will never hear the words "I don't care" because he doesn't have that option.
[CJsHere] 9:13 pm: e will have an answer to everything, even if it's no better than "I have to think about it". If she has a problem and asks him what to do, it becomes his problem. He does not pick and choose the ways he will be her Dominant, it is all or nothing,
[CJsHere] 9:13 pm: A submissive follows and supports.
[CJsHere] 9:14 pm: He is her Dominant because she trusts his judgment.
[CJsHere] 9:14 pm: she has a deep abiding faith in his leadership, a faith never shaken by the inevitable mistakes he makes, for she knows he is always motivated out of concern for her.
[CJsHere] 9:15 pm: she knows there must come a time in any disagreement when his word will be final. For the sake of harmony and peace in the home, someone must yield, and she will be the one.
[CJsHere] 9:16 pm: It is her task to build that place of refuge for the two of them, the island of quiet free from strife.
[CJsHere] 9:16 pm: Through her obedience to his ultimate authority, through her love and devotion to the man she calls master, she creates that oasis where he can go to relax and be himself, with her at his side.
[CJsHere] 9:17 pm: He is the rock of stability she depends on. her security comes from the certainty he will always be there no matter what happens
[CJsHere] 9:17 pm: she sees the love, the desire, the need to own in his eyes, all telling her how important and valuable she is to him. He is her absolute, the one facet of her life that she can count on to be there when she needs him.
[CJsHere] 9:18 pm: And he will be there, for she is the treasure of his life. She gives meaning to everything he does, be it providing for her, guiding her through life's rocky moments, or just spending intimate moments together.
[CJsHere] 9:19 pm: she is the half which completes the whole. Without her he has no purpose, no home, no future. she is his absolute, the one person he can trust to reveal his innermost self, the one he knows he owns, he controls, the one who cannot leave him.
[CJsHere] 9:19 pm: By any definition those in an Dominant submissive relationship are extremists.
[CJsHere] 9:20 pm: They attempt, and succeed, at what most would consider an impossible undertaking. A timid cautious approach with halfway measures won't work.
[CJsHere] 9:20 pm: success or failure hinges on the absolutes of keeping commitments, and mindsets, every minute of the day, in every way.
[CJsHere] 9:21 pm: Debates about whether she should or should not submit to certain types of orders are counterproductive. her focus is not on judging the merits of what he asks, but rather how best to accomplish what he seeks
[CJsHere] 9:21 pm: she must use her skills and natural talent to understand his mind, how he thinks, what motivates him when he demands. she looks not only at the letter of his law, but the spirit behind it.
[CJsHere] 9:22 pm: His objective is not to lose sight of her as someone with her own personality and opinions.
[CJsHere] 9:22 pm: His job is not to stifle her but encourage her to blossom within the boundaries he draws around her.
[CJsHere] 9:22 pm: He doesn't take away her freedom, he gives her the protected secure space to grow, free of outside distractions.
[CJsHere] 9:23 pm: He cherishes the person inside her, using his power to command to draw that inner personality out, to break through the inhibitions and fears that hold her back.
[CJsHere] 9:23 pm: He does not use that power in a frivolous manner but with careful consideration. Were he to do otherwise her faith in him would be destroyed, and he would have no one to blame but himself.
[CJsHere] 9:25 pm: Is it fantasy to seek this in your relationship? I think not... does it take commitment, effort and an intense desire to achieve? Most definitely,,, is it attainable.. only those in your relationship can answer that. As for Me, I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
[CJsHere] 9:26 pm: We have to remember and consider, every action we undertake... the way we spend our time, the objectives or goals we pursue must always be based on this standard of absolutes..
[CJsHere] 9:27 pm: look to the lines above, the words that have been typed, how many times do you see places where you could easily substitute the words, Communication, Honor, Trust and Respect? How many times can these remarks be caveated with a footnote for those terms?
[skye_Rod] 9:28 pm: lots....
[brandy] 9:28 pm: ..quite a few times, Sir..
[laynie] 9:28 pm: many times Sir
[CJsHere] 9:29 pm: yes, I firmly believe this lifestyle to be a world of absolutes, but those absolutes all seem to boil down to those basic cornerstones of the foundation of a D/s relationship.. Communication, Honor, Trust and Respect.
[CJsHere] 9:30 pm: Here in Asj, a couple of times a week or more, we hold discussions and classes on lifestyle related topics. Perhaps some of you have come here thinking that Asj is going to fix you right up with the perfect relationship, it happened here, so it has to be perfect..
[jane_DB] 9:31 pm: not neccessarily...
[CJsHere] 9:31 pm: No one can make that perfect relationship for you,, that is something only you can do. The information you glean here can only point you in the right direction,, show you examples of what has worked for others.
[irislady] 9:31 pm: no Sir
[collaire] 9:31 pm: if that would hapen, how great wouldn't that be, lol
[CJsHere] 9:31 pm: and, show you examples of what has not worked,
[CJsHere] 9:32 pm: in a way, consider this a bit like a horse race track,
[CJsHere] 9:32 pm: here we all are, betting on our horse to win,,, some of us,, we'll rely om nothing more than lady luck,, we'll place our wager, sit back with our fingers crossed and hope our horse wins,
[CJsHere] 9:33 pm: yet others, they've been around the track a few times,, they've seen the track record of the horses about to run, they can recognize the signs of a horse that is too tired to win..
[CJsHere] 9:34 pm: so they place their bets accordingly.. and while they may not win everytime,, it sure seems that they win their fair share of the bets.. they've done their homework, and it shows in their winnings. Meanwhile, the rest of us just tear up our tickets and sadly walk away,
[CJsHere] 9:35 pm: yet,, we could have had the same opportunity to win, if we had only opened up our eyes a bit,,,
[CJsHere] 9:35 pm: hope that analogy makes some type of sense.
[jane_DB] 9:35 pm: sometimes, having lost a ruining amount of money. that's the problem
[irislady] 9:35 pm: yes Sir
[fire_AsjFG] 9:35 pm: yes Master
[laynie] 9:35 pm: it does Sir
[jane_DB] 9:35 pm: it does Sir
[brandy] 9:35 pm: yes Sir
[CJsHere] 9:36 pm: the bottom line,, it becomes your choice, your decision, are you here to rely on lady luck,, hope that perhaps you might just randomly pick a winning number,, or, are you here to pick everyone's brains, to listen to the tips of the jockeys, the trainers, the owners,, and yes, even to observe the horses themselves.
[CJsHere] 9:37 pm: that, IMHO, is a secret to winning, ;)
[irislady] 9:37 pm: makes alot of sense Sir
[brandy] 9:37 pm: the former statement Sir..
[CJsHere] 9:38 pm: I notice that we've got some fairly new faces here this evening,,, so of course, in addition to wanting to welcome them to our home,, I'd also like to take a few moments, and toss out some tidbits of information,
[CJsHere] 9:39 pm: hopefully, things that will help them as they start their journey,, and yes, of course, to try to pound some sense in to everyone else here, ;) chuckles.
[CJsHere] 9:39 pm: so, if you've heard these before,, hang in there, I won't bore you with them too long,,
[CJsHere] 9:40 pm: but, please, heard them or not, do pay attention to them,, and consider these thoughts,, and perhaps in your own mind, try to formulate why this advice is given, what could be the reasons behind it,
[CJsHere] 9:40 pm: The only rule is: Do Not Harm. This means mentally or physically. Any other rules you choose to accept you get to thoroughly own.
[CJsHere] 9:41 pm: There is not a rule book that has been distributed to everyone else and missed you. Anybody who tells you how D/s is done is blowing smoke up your butt. There are as many variations to this lifestyle as there are people in this world. You do not have to accept someone else's version of this lifestyle.
[CJsHere] 9:42 pm: Before you are contracted or collared to someone, you make your own decisions. It is perfectly okay to not do what a Dominant tells you to before you are collared or contracted to that Dominant. Matter of fact, I would recommend not obeying every schmuck that comes along calling himself a Dominant. Find out for yourself if he's a Dominant, and then obey if you are so inclined.
[Rod] 9:42 pm: You mean I dont know everything after all?
[CJsHere] 9:42 pm: lol.
[CJsHere] 9:43 pm: If your expectation is that it will be a monogamous relationship and his expectation is for it to be an open or poly relationship it's best to find out before you commit. This is also a good time to ask questions like:
[brandy] 9:43 pm: Sir..i have a question
[CJsHere] 9:43 pm: pauses, yes brandy, ask away, listens,
[brandy] 9:44 pm: You mentioned that if the Dom is a schmuck that you should not obey..
[CJsHere] 9:44 pm: nods, listens,,
[brandy] 9:44 pm: then what about manners, like "Sir"..He might get the wrong idea and think you are obeying Him..
[CJsHere] 9:44 pm: since when is common courtesy anything to do with obeying?
[brandy] 9:45 pm: maybe...but He is still a schmuck...
[CJsHere] 9:45 pm: does that mean when I walk into the store and the girl says, "May I help you Sir", I should respond by saying, "oh yes, on your knees".. ??
[skye_Rod] 9:45 pm: hahah
[skye_Rod] 9:45 pm: THAT would be funny
[cricket_NF] 9:45 pm: giggles
[CJsHere] 9:45 pm: common courtesy is common courtesy, nothing more..
[irislady] 9:46 pm: Sir when You are done with class i have 3 questions in which to ask
[CJsHere] 9:46 pm: feel free to ask them now iris, (if they are related to what we are discussing)
[brandy] 9:46 pm: fine.. then..Sir...
[CJsHere] 9:47 pm: listens
[irislady] 9:47 pm: at what point Sir does one become under contract?
[CJsHere] 9:47 pm: it's a bit like a wedding, when she says.. "I do"..
[CJsHere] 9:47 pm: or other comparable words or terms,
[CJsHere] 9:47 pm: and no, she don't until she do. ;)
[CJsHere] 9:48 pm: make sense?
[CJsHere] 9:48 pm: but let's elaborate on that a bit,,,
[irislady] 9:48 pm: what if a Dom says He is looking for a part time Dom? and yes Sir thank You it did.
[irislady] 9:49 pm: i meas sub Sir?
[CJsHere] 9:49 pm: let's use an example.. a girl walks in here,, and for what ever reason, I say do something, do I have a right to tell her to do it,, no, probably not,, but, yes, the girl has the right to say to herself, "ya know, i think this dude knows what he's talking about,, i best shush and do as i'm told"..
[CJsHere] 9:49 pm: lol.. part time sub huh,,
[irislady] 9:50 pm: Yes Sir
[irislady] 9:50 pm: i had one say that Sir
[CJsHere] 9:51 pm: I guess ,, if there is a girl that only wants part time,, after she spends sometime figuring out which part, maybe she should come talk to Me so I can set her straight,, My guess, if someone is looking for part time, then they're not looking for a D/s relationship, rather they are looking for a Top/bottom (BDSM) relationship.
[fire_AsjFG] 9:51 pm: maybe a better question would be ask yourself iris....are you a part time sub?
[irislady] 9:51 pm: no fire i am not
[fire_AsjFG] 9:51 pm: winks
[CJsHere] 9:52 pm: did that get all three questions?
[irislady] 9:52 pm: no Sir i have one more
[CJsHere] 9:52 pm: nods, listens,
[irislady] 9:52 pm: Sir You said that a Dom is a 24/7 committment, can a Dom at some point change his mind about the realtionship?
[CJsHere] 9:53 pm: hmm, how to answer that,, best,,,
[CJsHere] 9:53 pm: first, I'd tell you to scroll up, read all that I wrote in the first half of this topic this evening,,, next..
[CJsHere] 9:54 pm: grudgingly, I'll tell you we're all human,, we do make mistakes, and while I would like to think that every D/s or M/s relationship will last til at least three days past doomsday, the reality is, there are some relationships that will unfortunately ultimately break down..
[irislady] 9:55 pm: then what happens Sir?
[CJsHere] 9:55 pm:
[irislady] 9:56 pm: makes sense Sir
[CJsHere] 9:57 pm: I'm trying to think of a quote, by George Bernard Shaw,, regarding communication,, can't recall it verbatim, but essentially what he says is that the biggest failure in communicating is not talking,, but rather it is in the failure to understand what is communicated.
[CJsHere] 9:58 pm: any other questions? (otherwise I'll finish up on My list,, )
[irislady] 9:58 pm: no Sir
[CJsHere] 9:58 pm: let's see, where was I,, will cut and paste the last I said,,
[CJsHere] 9:58 pm: If your expectation is that it will be a monogamous relationship and his expectation is for it to be an open or poly relationship it's best to find out before you commit. This is also a good time to ask questions like:
[CJsHere] 9:59 pm: A) What happens if I get pregnant? B) What happens if I move across the country for you, quit my job for you and you release me, abuse me, or make me so miserable I want to cut my heart out with a plastic spoon?
[CJsHere] 9:59 pm: C) Are we having unprotected sex and if so, may I see the certificate from the doctor regarding your HIV and STD tests? Put all this writing and both of you sign it. It won't mean squat in a court of law, but it will cover your butt in the case of arguments.
[CJsHere] 10:00 pm: Safety, Safety, Safety. Dead submissives don't serve. Use your head. If a Dominant is about to do something to you that can cause you harm, speak up and possibly get out. There are a lot of inexperienced players out there that believe the Sleeping Beauty Books are real.
[CJsHere] 10:01 pm: There will be a lot of people proclaiming that they are Dominants and Masters to you. Some of them are wonderful, incredible people, some are full of crap, some of them are looking for easy sex, and some of them are down right delusional.
[kenna] 10:01 pm: scary.
[CJsHere] 10:02 pm: Understand that actions will always speak louder than words. I can proclaim myself the King of the United States and then demand that all of you send me your taxes so I can quit my job and build a 16000sf $5million house in Laguna Beach, but you're not going to do it, right?
[irislady] 10:02 pm: Very Sir
[skye_Rod] 10:02 pm: uh...no Sir ...sorry
[CJsHere] 10:02 pm: be aware that there are people that search out novices because they know that they can take advantage of you.
[brandy] 10:02 pm: no Sir...
[irislady] 10:02 pm: i know Sir it has begun already with me
[irislady] 10:03 pm: they are seeking me out because i am new Sir
[CJsHere] 10:03 pm: there is always someone out there that will appreciate what you bring to the table. Don't change who you are to suit somebody else, simply because they say so. Men out number women in the scene 3 to 1. (I know, a different and opposite ratio for D/s) So, there are a lot of fish in the sea. Don't settle for someone that doesn't fit you.
[CJsHere] 10:03 pm: here is a difference between domineering and Dominant. Webster's Dictionary says: Dominant - ruling or prevailing, Domineering - harsh, arrogant, tyrannizing, overbearing. Dominants shouldn't feel the need to be bullies. If someone does act that way...run away....fast.
[CJsHere] 10:04 pm: There are people that will tell you that you're not submissive. Many will do it in hopes that they can goad you into doing what they want in your effort to prove that you are submissive. Bottom line, until they've met you face to face...it's just cyberspace.
[CJsHere] 10:04 pm: We're in this lifestyle because it makes us happy. If you take it too seriously, you will take all the fun out of it. Have a sense of humor.
[CJsHere] 10:05 pm: When it comes to meeting Dominants:
[irislady] 10:05 pm: i still have my humor Sir
[Rod] 10:05 pm: :roll:
[skye_Rod] 10:05 pm: lol
[CJsHere] 10:05 pm: When it comes to meeting Dominants:
[CJsHere] 10:06 pm: Meet on your turf. Some place you're familiar with, in public with a well lit parking lot.
[skye_Rod] 10:06 pm: the only stupid question is the unasked question....
[CJsHere] 10:06 pm: I would NEVER EVER meet somebody at a hotel or their home. I don't suggest dinners because a) it's not easy extricate yourself if it's going miserably and b) sometimes people that buy dinner think they've bought you.
[CJsHere] 10:07 pm: Never get into his car, even at the end of the evening. I also wouldn't recommend allowing him to walk you to your car. A string of rapes happened in the LA community where the "Dom" pushed the submissive into either his car or her car.
[CJsHere] 10:07 pm: Get caller ID blocking on your phone and you call him. Preferably on his home phone number. I generally would not continue with anyone that refused to give you their home phone or lied about whether the number they gave you was their home phone.
[CJsHere] 10:08 pm: You can check to see if it's a cell phone by using Reverse Directory. It will tell you if a phone number is assigned to a cell phone company.
[CJsHere] 10:08 pm: Wear whatever you want and are comfortable in. Until you are contracted or collared to that Dominant what you wear is your choice.
[cupcake] 10:08 pm: how do we get the reverse directroy Sir CJ?
[CJsHere] 10:09 pm: reverse directories are abundant online,, just a simple webearch will turn up a hundred free one.. one is 411.com
[CJsHere] 10:09 pm: Be wary of people that start conversation off with: "Are you submissive?" " How large are your breasts?" "Do you like anal sex?" "What are your limits?"
[irislady] 10:09 pm: what would be proper starting conversation Sir?
[Rod] 10:10 pm: goes both ways...Ive had several girls go to that conversation right away
[CJsHere] 10:10 pm: I suggest you always make it perfectly clear that there will be no sex or S&M on the first meeting. In fact, there probably wouldn't be sex or S&M for the first 3 to 5 dates.
[cupcake] 10:10 pm: id also say beware of those who wont disclose there living situation or are living with a "friend" or "room mate" as well
[CJsHere] 10:11 pm: this is the stage where you're still determining if you even like them, never mind trust them with your life. If a Dominant was unwilling to wait until you were comfortable, don't meet them. After all, wouldn't you I like to think you were worth the wait?
[CJsHere] 10:12 pm: Have a safe call
[CJsHere] 10:12 pm: Use common sense. The same idiosyncrasies exist in the D/s BDSM realm as the vanilla realm. This means that if you act like a one night stand, you probably will be a one night stand. If you cry to everyone about how he used you and never called again....some subs will try to comfort you, some subs will wonder what the hell you expected and some Doms will send you tons of email because you're obviously easy.
[CJsHere] 10:13 pm: (tries to hurry now.. looking at the clock)
[CJsHere] 10:13 pm: I really don't recommend quitting your job and moving across the country to become someone's live in 24/7 slave/submissive without a concrete plan on how to extricate yourself in case it doesn't work out. Think about how difficult it would be to get out of that situation with no money and no support network.
[CJsHere] 10:13 pm: I believe that the absolute best way to meet people is to be active in your local BDSM D/s group (and yes, that includes Asj). Attend munches, volunteer as help for fetish events, be involved. This serves two purposes. It gives you a local support network and allows you to get a better idea of the reputations of the people out there. Unfortunately, asking for references can be faked in this day and age. Knowing the community is the best way to learn if someone is safe.
[CJsHere] 10:14 pm: If they've lied about age, height, weight, or whether they have submissives or a wife, I would just drop it right there. Lying about the first three shows me that they're willing to lie about something insubstantial, which makes me worry about how easy it would for them to lie about the big stuff.
[CJsHere] 10:14 pm: The second two shows me that they're willing to lie to the most important people in their lives, and they would not hesitate to lie to you too.
[CJsHere] 10:15 pm: This is a lifestyle based on trust and if your going to put your life in their hands, goddammit you have to be able to trust him.
[CJsHere] 10:16 pm: okay,, that should give you a few things to think about and ponder a bit,,
[irislady] 10:16 pm: most definetely Sir, very informative class thank You Sir
[CJsHere] 10:16 pm: I hope some of the issues, thoughts and words we've used tonight will help to set you to thinking a bit, understanding what this lifestyle is all about,, and perhaps some of the whys we do things as we do..
[brandy] 10:16 pm: thank You again Sir..
[kenna] 10:17 pm: Thank You Sir
[CJsHere] 10:17 pm: Doms, anything you'd like to comment on or ad?
[Rod] 10:17 pm: only about something early on
[CJsHere] 10:17 pm: nods, listens,
[Rod] 10:17 pm: the statement that laws dont exist
[Rod] 10:18 pm: might have been disconcerting to some new girls
[CJsHere] 10:18 pm: nods, that was a general statement, yes, in some cases, some things are legal. but, for the most part, slave contracts do not exist from a legal standpoint,
[Rod] 10:18 pm: laws exist but the Dom knows the limits and respects them
[CJsHere] 10:18 pm: a slave contract here in the US is not enforceable in any court of law.
[Rod] 10:19 pm: I mean lawsabout brutalityand so forth
[skye_Rod] 10:19 pm: true SIr..... they dont... but if the parties can prove that an agreement was made... and its signed and witnessed doesnt it have some relevence in court?
[Rod] 10:19 pm: abusevs play
[CJsHere] 10:19 pm: wasn't referring to those types of laws.. what was being referred to is,, if you make an agreement with your Dom that you are going to do this or that,, or vice versa,, that "slave agreement" is not binding in a court of law..
[Rod] 10:19 pm: not in Michigan
[CJsHere] 10:19 pm: make sense?
[CJsHere] 10:20 pm: none at all skye,
[brandy] 10:20 pm: Sir, i would think it very difficult for her to "prove" brutality, especially when D/s is still in the closet..
[CJsHere] 10:20 pm: not in any of the 50 states,
[skye_Rod] 10:20 pm: ok
[Rod] 10:20 pm: right, Im refering to her being hurt and not being able todo anything about it
[CJsHere] 10:20 pm: if you've entered the word slave, or described a Master slave relationship in the agreement, it is not enforceable in a US court. period. no discussion.
[brandy] 10:21 pm: although there is so much D/s and BDSM out there in the vanilla world..wonders when D/s will be open, like respectable..
[skye_Rod] 10:21 pm: in the context of domestic violence within a Master slave relationship... the second you tell the police/court about that... it makes it very difficult to be taken seriously... or to get help
[CJsHere] 10:21 pm: I'd like to think it is now, but knowing what you mean, nope, it's not there yet, but hopefully, some day soon.
[Rod] 10:21 pm: when the marks stay on the tush and not around the eye
[CJsHere] 10:22 pm: don't bet on that skye,,
[skye_Rod] 10:22 pm: has experienced it Sir.... know it first hand...
[CJsHere] 10:22 pm: but again, part of that depends on how you pursue it,
[cupcake] 10:22 pm: D/s was a regular thing in a 1940's-50's household or so ive been told
[Rod] 10:22 pm: true enough
[CJsHere] 10:22 pm: and again, I'd tell you, don't bet on it skye, ;)
[CJsHere] 10:22 pm: nods to cc.
[CJsHere] 10:22 pm: but, it wasn't called D/s back then, it was called, "marriage",,
[Rod] 10:23 pm: remember when Ricky spanked lucy on tv
[cupcake] 10:23 pm: i loved watching her get spanked it tickles me
[kenna] 10:23 pm: i love lucy!
[Rod] 10:23 pm: hahaha
[CJsHere] 10:23 pm: smiles,, thinks of the John Wayne movie I saw last night,, McClintock, ;)
[Rod] 10:23 pm: thats another one
[irislady] 10:23 pm: yes i loved mcclintock Sir
[CJsHere] 10:24 pm: excellent example of the dom taking charge and disciplining as appropriate,
[CJsHere] 10:24 pm: any other comments Rod?
[skye_Rod] 10:24 pm: now i gotta find that movie online and watch it
[CJsHere] 10:24 pm: fire, anything youd like to add?
[Rod] 10:24 pm: nope, that was all
[fire_AsjFG] 10:25 pm: no thank You Master... Your time is appreciated as always.. :)
[CJsHere] 10:25 pm: girls,, anything you'd like to ask, or comment about?
[Rod] 10:25 pm: good group tonight CJ
[jane_DB] 10:25 pm: no Sir, thank You for Your time
[kenna] 10:25 pm: no Sir, thank You Sir
[brandy] 10:25 pm: thank You for Your time Sir.. as always..
[skye_Rod] 10:25 pm: can i make a suggestion for a topic for discussion Sir?
[cricket_NF] 10:25 pm: thank you for class and your time sir..and when ready i found one quote about communication
[CJsHere] 10:25 pm: again, I do appreciate each of you taking the time to be here this evening,,, your participation is what makes these classes and discussions worth the effort.