Sunday, October 17, 2010
Submissive - vs. Slave, The Differences
Class log 10-17-2010
[CJsHere] 9:04 pm: good evening all.
[CJsHere] 9:04 pm: looks like once again, I'm a couple of minutes late,, I apologize, I think I need to reset My clock,
[jade_DM] 9:04 pm: quietly slips into the room , respectfully acknowledging the Sirs and Lady smiling
[CJsHere] 9:05 pm: some new faces I see, welcome,, I hope everyone has introduced themselves to you.
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[CJsHere] 9:06 pm: lol. enough with the commercials already.
[CJsHere] 9:06 pm: I notice we’ve got some new faces this week, if you haven’t
sat in on one of our topics or discussions before, remember, these topics are
meant to be discussions, feel free to ask questions, add your thoughts.
[CJsHere] 9:07 pm: A reminder, please, hold your PM’s and IM’s… I also ask you
hold down the irrelevant comments. If you get bumped offline, just come back in
quietly, we’ll all understand..
[CJsHere] 9:07 pm: We may seem to move a bit fast this evening as there is a lot
to cover, but, there’s always time to slow down to make sure you understand
what’s going on. If you don’t ask, you may never know.
[CJsHere] 9:08 pm: With that, if no one has any questions, lets see if we can’t
get started. Tonight’s topic, The difference between a submissive and a slave.
Yeeooowww, a hot topic,,
[CJsHere] 9:08 pm: This topic will probably stir up some controversy, others
will find they may put “their own” spin on things. If you ask a dozen people
what is the difference between a sub and a slave, you’ll get at least a dozen
[CJsHere] 9:09 pm: I personally believe the difference essentially equates to
the level of trust and commitment within the relationship. I think as we delve
deeper into this topic this evening, you may see where that is so.
[CJsHere] 9:10 pm: The difference between a sub, and a slave... An interesting
question to say the least. And a dangerous question as well. The submissive is a
thing of beauty, be it male or female.
[CJsHere] 9:10 pm: They are also very brave individuals. What courage do you
think it takes to place your trust, your absolute trust in someone?
[CJsHere] 9:10 pm: Great courage!
[CJsHere] 9:11 pm: I feel the easiest way to begin this is to look at the
similarities between the two titles in question. First and most importantly they
are both based on the same principle. Trust.
[CJsHere] 9:12 pm: Without trust in the lifestyle relationship, there is
nothing. Both serve, and seek to serve. Both are empty without the guide that
leads, and need training to serve properly.
[Sir Hardone40] 9:12 pm: For in my thoughts in some respects they are the same
[Sir Hardone40] 9:12 pm: for all slaves are submissives
[CJsHere] 9:12 pm: nods, they are,, and they aren't.. but for now, let's see
where this takes us.
[CJsHere] 9:13 pm: They are comfortable with the trappings of the scene. They
both wear collars in one form or another and both offer some form of “worship”
to their Dominant.
[CJsHere] 9:13 pm: There are many other things that both do, but this forum is
not a book. With the constraints of time, we’ll just tend to look at the basics
[CJsHere] 9:14 pm: The submissive has a unique situation. It is freedom in
bondage so to speak.
[CJsHere] 9:14 pm: Does a submissive serve?
[Sir Hardone40] 9:14 pm: yes
[new_seeking] 9:14 pm: yes Sir
[CJsHere] 9:14 pm: Yes of course. And the submissive is usually collared and
“owned”. However in this forum the word owned takes on a new meaning.
[CJsHere] 9:15 pm: It is actually closer to possessed. Owned denotes total
control, which in the case of being a collared submissive, is not true.
[CJsHere] 9:15 pm: The collar in this case shows a “territorial right” of the
Dominant. A hands off sign to others. Or, a symbol of the Dominant himself.
[CJsHere] 9:16 pm: Webster's defines submission in the following terms; “The
state or quality of being submissive; acknowledgment of inferiority or
dependence; humble or suppliant behavior; meekness; resignation; obedience.”
[CJsHere] 9:17 pm: I chose this definition because it most accurately shows the
meaning of the word in the context we are exploring. In the training I have
received and given, the above words are chiseled in stone.
[CJsHere] 9:18 pm: Each and every submissive and slave should render them upon
their soul. Make them their “rules to live by”. This definition is also a part
of the basis of the slave as well.
[CJsHere] 9:18 pm: However this is where the slave and the submissive begin to
part company. As I said earlier, the submissive is not owned but possessed.
[Sir Hardone40] 9:19 pm: I would tend to disagree but will wait till later to
discuss my thoughts
[CJsHere] 9:19 pm: To better understand the difference, one must first
understand how that type of relationship is formed. There is a negotiation that
takes place between the Dominant and the prospective submissive before an
agreement or contract is agreed upon.
[CJsHere] 9:19 pm: nods to Hardone.
[CJsHere] 9:20 pm: The submissive will outline the areas where the Dominant will
have influence, and where he will not. It will also indicate and define what the
Dominant can and, more importantly, cannot do.
[CJsHere] 9:20 pm: yes, the Dominant may also outline areas of his
[CJsHere] 9:21 pm: In most cases a contract of some form or another is drawn up
to be agreed upon and signed by both, this may sometimes even be accomplished
orally, or by implication. There is usually a time period to the length of the
contract, and several aspects during the term of it are always negotiable.
[CJsHere] 9:22 pm: The key point here is that the submissive is allowing the
Dominant to control only certain aspects of it's life. It will retain an
identity separate and apart from that of the D&s lifestyle.
[CJsHere] 9:22 pm: This does not make the submissive any less of a servant in
the world we've chosen to live in.
[CJsHere] 9:23 pm: I have seen many a submissive who make the chosen lifestyle
slave look like a light weight, inexperienced rube. Again understand I believe
submission is beauty incarnate.
[CJsHere] 9:24 pm: To better understand where we have gone so far, let's look at
the other point of the question, the position or role of the slave.
[CJsHere] 9:25 pm: Webster's defines slave in the following terms;“ A bond
servant divested of all freedom and personal rights;
[CJsHere] 9:25 pm: a human being who is owned by and wholly subject to the will
of another, as by capture, purchase, or birth.”
[CJsHere] 9:25 pm: To My knowledge, There is really no better explanation of the
word and meaning of slave than that in the dictionary and presented here.
[CJsHere] 9:26 pm: Here the differences will become a whole lot clearer. Again,
as with the submissive, the person who becomes a slave is a thing of beauty.
[CJsHere] 9:26 pm: It is also a lot harder on the individual and not all are
called to this form of the lifestyle, and believe me it is a calling.
[CJsHere] 9:27 pm: Read the definition. Understand the meaning of each
individual word. It takes the meaning of trust to an entirely different level.
[CJsHere] 9:28 pm: It is not something to be entered upon lightly or frivolously
by either the prospective slave or the Dominant. It is a tremendous
responsibility to both.
[CJsHere] 9:28 pm: The control exerted upon the slave by the Dominant in this
case is full and complete. There is no room for debate.
[Sir Hardone40] 9:29 pm: it is not only the control but the authority
[CJsHere] 9:29 pm: As with the submissive, there is usually a period of
negotiation which has come after long periods of training and evaluation by the
Dominant in question.
[CJsHere] 9:30 pm: These discussions are to form the basis of the prospective
slaves abilities and limits. Limits which will be oft times stretched and
[Sir Hardone40] 9:31 pm: the only limit a slave has is the limits of her Master
[CJsHere] 9:31 pm: Now I know what you're asking; “How can there be limits? How
can there be negotiating when a person is so totally owned?”
[CJsHere] 9:31 pm: Would you like to be punished for something that you cannot
[CJsHere] 9:32 pm: I thought not. Unlike the submissive who has “freedom in
their bondage”, the slave gives up control of all aspects their lives.
[CJsHere] 9:32 pm: The Dominant sets the rules which will govern the life of the
slave for a much longer period of time than in the case of the submissive.
[CJsHere] 9:33 pm: It was mentioned before that the contract between a
submissive and the Dominant is usually set for a fixed period of time to be
re-negotiated and agreed upon again.
[CJsHere] 9:34 pm: In the case of the slave there is no such brief stay in the
position. You are or you are not. That is why there is (or should be) a time of
evaluation between the Dominant and the applicant.
[CJsHere] 9:34 pm: It becomes the basis in what for most, if not all, is a life
time of commitment. So now we may simplify things a bit.
[Sir Hardone40] 9:35 pm: But so can a D/s relationshipe
[CJsHere] 9:35 pm: A submissive allows certain aspects of their lives to be
controlled by the Dominant while retaining an individual identity.
[CJsHere] 9:35 pm: A slave on the other hand, turns over control of all aspects
of their life. The Dominant is the beginning and the end.
[CJsHere] 9:36 pm: The life that a slave leads is very similar to that of the
course of the planets, with the Dominant being the sun and the slaves world
revolving around that.
[CJsHere] 9:36 pm: Now having read that you may make the assumption that the
submissive is less dedicated to serving it's Dominant.
[CJsHere] 9:37 pm: Not at all. All it means is that for the slave there is
nothing, absolutely nothing else in the world other than the pleasure of the
[CJsHere] 9:37 pm: While the submissive must juggle the responsibilities of life
it has chosen to retain as well as the relationship it has chosen to enter upon
with the Dominant.
[CJsHere] 9:38 pm: I said earlier that this was an interesting question, and a
dangerous one as well. I said that this is a calling, and not all are called.
[CJsHere] 9:39 pm: This is where the danger lies. In this world of sexually
transmitted diseases, such as HIV and AIDS, our lifestyle, it seems, is en
[CJsHere] 9:39 pm: Is there a place for all in this world in which we've chosen
[CJsHere] 9:40 pm: No. There is the place for the devotee, and the voyeur, the
Dom and the Domme, the slave and the submissive, the Master and of course the
[CJsHere] 9:40 pm: But this is no place for the faint of heart or the con man
out for a quick lay who's playing at this life and mocking it in the same
[CJsHere] 9:41 pm: Here is the danger I was speaking of earlier.
[CJsHere] 9:41 pm: Ignorance.
[CJsHere] 9:41 pm: I called the words submissive and slave titles, and rightly
so. They are so much more than words, and should not be trivialized and made
labels. These are things that one aspires to, are born to.
[CJsHere] 9:42 pm: However in this world properly identifying oneself to others
is very important if one wishes to be taken seriously.
[CJsHere] 9:42 pm: What would your opinion as a Master be of a person who
applies to be a slave, and then wishes to set limitations on the amount of
control you as a Master may have?
[CJsHere] 9:43 pm: It is like someone who calls himself a Master with out
actually being one.
[CJsHere] 9:43 pm: The word Master itself denotes mastery of something;
Webster's defines Master in the following terms;“ a man who rules others or has
control, authority, or power over something;
[CJsHere] 9:44 pm: specifically, (a) a man who is head of a household or
institution;...(c) an owner of an animal or slave........ a person very skilled
and able in some work, profession, science, etc.; expert;
[CJsHere] 9:44 pm: specifically, (a) a skilled workman or craftsman qualified to
follow his trade independently; (b) an artist regarded as great”
[CJsHere] 9:45 pm: http://www.asubmissivesjourney.com/master.html will also
expound a bit on the difference between a Master and a Dominant.
[CJsHere] 9:45 pm: So also do not take the titles of those above you lightly, or
give them freely. They are earned as are the titles of the submissive and slave.
[CJsHere] 9:45 pm: Some would argue that they are actually a state of being, I
disagree. One may have submissive tendencies, yet be so assertive that it defies
[CJsHere] 9:46 pm: Someone can be slave like, yet be as free spirited and
defiant as the wild mustang. So too are the tittles of Master and Mistress.
[CJsHere] 9:46 pm: Each earned. Aspired to. One does not buy a whip and be
considered a Master. Try mastering the tool first. Now isn’t that a novel
[CJsHere] 9:47 pm: These are titles earned through hard work and study. A title
given by your peers. A title of respect earned from the submissive and the
slave, not extracted.
[CJsHere] 9:47 pm: And so we have hopefully made the journey to the explanation
of the subject in question without losing or offending anyone.
[Lobby]: new_seeking has left at 9:47 pm
[CJsHere] 9:47 pm: The lifestyle we live is a very fluid thing. It can become so
many different things to so many different people
[CJsHere] 9:48 pm: Like with the lives of the submissive and the slave
overlapping in some areas. You can mix and match the things discussed in this
article to suit your individual situation.
[CJsHere] 9:48 pm: The things I have presented to you here have a basis in
tradition. A tradition going back hundreds of years.
[CJsHere] 9:49 pm: There are marked differences in the forms of the lifestyle
between the United States and Europe, and the world at large.
[CJsHere] 9:49 pm: The American venue of the lifestyle is built on traditions
that came to this country from Europe just prior to the turn of the last
[CJsHere] 9:50 pm: Over the years it has taken on it’s own unique form
recognizable throughout the world. The European customs and styles are based on
customs covering at least eight hundred years of tradition.
[CJsHere] 9:50 pm: Neither is the “right” or correct form. They are a basis from
which to begin, to learn. So take this and learn from it. Question it. Dissect
[CJsHere] 9:51 pm: I firmly believe that all topics in this arena of life should
foster more questions, and that the answers should do the same. The questioning
continues, and that is how we learn.
[CJsHere] 9:51 pm: I think I've shown that the basis for both the submissive and
the slave lifestyle, or role is founded on trust. A natural assumption is that
trust will grow, enhance and stabilize as the relationship endures.
[CJsHere] 9:53 pm: If that is so, then it is My contention that ultimately, if a
relationship is going to grow, to survive, and to be the relationship that both
the Dominant and the submissive want it to be, then if nothing other than by
default, eventually, every relationship will progress to the point of the
submissive becoming a slave.
[CJsHere] 9:53 pm: Okay,,, braces Myself, sits back and waits for the barrage of
comments, questions, objections and occasional tomato to be thrown,,
[fire_AsjFG] 9:54 pm: ducks behind His chair...hides from the fruit
[Sir Hardone40] 9:54 pm: lol
[Sir Hardone40] 9:54 pm: just a couple of observations
[CJsHere] 9:54 pm: nods to Hardone,, listens,
[Sir Hardone40] 9:54 pm: first a owned submissive
[Sir Hardone40] 9:55 pm: if one can not totally give over all
[Sir Hardone40] 9:55 pm: due to one reason or another but gives those areas she
can to her Master then what
[Sir Hardone40] 9:56 pm: for she has given all that she can due to the law
[CJsHere] 9:57 pm: if it's a case of not being able to give over all, remember
two things, first, the definition we are dealing with here is what is commonly
referred to as the "accepted lifestyle definition". the second thing to
remember, as pointed out.. each and every relationship is unique,,, what fits
for one, might not fit for the other. Now, if you bring forth a requirement to
violate the "law".. then your talking a horse of a differnt color, that
shouldn't be part of any D/s relationship, should it?
[Sir Hardone40] 9:57 pm: ok
[Sir Hardone40] 9:58 pm: second thing is a D/s relationship can progress to one
without time limits
[CJsHere] 9:58 pm: takes three slaves,,, turns them all into bank robbers, hmmm,
don't think that will work,,
[Sir Hardone40] 9:58 pm: will agree that most D/s relationships will tend to
move into an M/s relationship over time and the development of trust
[Sir Hardone40] 9:59 pm: The other thing I would point out is even with a slave
there is one right which is never given over
[CJsHere] 9:59 pm: Nods, yes, it can ,, and again, that refers to the "norm"..
but wait a moment,, think about this a moment,, as it progresses, as things like
time limits are removed,, since it's the "Dominant" that essentially sets the
limits,,, do you also think it likely that the sub will progress to being a
slave, quite possibly without either realizing it?
[Sir Hardone40] 10:00 pm: sure in most cases in a relationship that exist over
time it will
[Sir Hardone40] 10:00 pm: for as I said all slaves are submissives
[anaka_CAS] 10:00 pm: respectfully disagrees, either that or she shouldn't be
[CJsHere] 10:00 pm: nods, and that's My contention,,, bottom line, IMHO, the
difference between a sub and a slave is the level of trust and commitment within
the relationship.. :)
[Sir Hardone40] 10:00 pm: this is because they start out at some point as
submissive and move into being a slave
[Sir Hardone40] 10:01 pm: sure would agree but also beleive that there are some
cases where there are owned submissives
[CJsHere] 10:01 pm: if the relationship endures, the trust and the commitment
strengthen and build,, hence, the level of trust and commitment increases.....
hmm, I wonder if that is the case, then actually would it be true to say that
whether they realize it or not, almost all subs aspire to be slaves?
[Sir Hardone40] 10:02 pm: more or less caught in between the standard
understandings within the lifestyles between that of a submissive and a slave
[CJsHere] 10:02 pm: anaka, what is it you disagree with?
[CJsHere] 10:03 pm: listens to anaka,
[anaka_CAS] 10:03 pm: that all subs will eventually become a slave, Sir
[CJsHere] 10:03 pm: anaka, first,,, I said,, : hmm, I wonder if that is the case,
then actually ...would it be true to say that whether they realize it or not, almost all subs
aspire to be slaves?
[CJsHere] 10:03 pm: "almost all".
[anaka_CAS] 10:04 pm: then i guess i am the 'almost'
[CJsHere] 10:04 pm: next,, I would tell you, that IMHO,, IF a girl is truly
living as a submissive,, with the "desire" to serve her Dominant, and a desire
to strengthen the relationship, then why would she not aspire to that role?
[Sir Hardone40] 10:04 pm: I would say that not all aspire to be and will also say
there are some who go by the name of slave who are more submissive than slave
[CJsHere] 10:05 pm: now, if she's there to play games, or to try to convince
others she's something she's not, then yes, that is another story entirely, and
that really can't be used as a valid comparison, can it?
[MrCAS] 10:05 pm: But there different levels of submission
[CJsHere] 10:06 pm: nods to CAS, sure there are,, but again, if the girl seeks to
serve her Dominant, and seeks to strengthen her relationship, strengthen the
bonds of that relationship, wouldn’t you think her level of submission would
[MrCAS] 10:06 pm: OK, I see where you are going with that
[Sir Hardone40] 10:07 pm: Again it all goes back to what ones sees as a slave
[CJsHere] 10:07 pm: now, again, if her desire to "serve" is only superficial,
then no, she'll always remain nothing more than mildly submissive,
[MrCAS] 10:07 pm: It is the same that a Dom would increase His level of the
relationship as well
[CJsHere] 10:07 pm: nods, and again, using that analogy, it's how the "Dominant
progresses to being a "Master".
[CJsHere] 10:08 pm: every Male Dominant isn't a Master, just as every female
submissive isn't a sub/slave.
[Sir Hardone40] 10:08 pm: so then in your concept there can only be a Master if
he has a slave?
[CJsHere] 10:08 pm: oh, absolutely not. !!
[Sir Hardone40] 10:08 pm: :)
[CJsHere] 10:08 pm: far from it, !!!
[CJsHere] 10:09 pm: but yes, He somehow has to have the knowledge base, the
experience level.. and the confidence and respect of his peers to acheive that,
[Sir Hardone40] 10:09 pm: correct
[CJsHere] 10:09 pm: and yes, there is a significant diffrence between knowledge,
and experience, a Master will have both.
[Sir Hardone40] 10:09 pm: for that is a given and is not a title one places on
him or her self
[CJsHere] 10:10 pm: most definitely, yet so many don't understand that,
[cece] 10:10 pm: Sir CJ, You mentioned a sub could be possessed but not owned
whereas a slave is owned...in my opinion possession and ownership are the same,
could You help clarify what You think the difference is?
[CJsHere] 10:10 pm: smiles, yes, I think I can cece,, and yes, a good question,
[CJsHere] 10:10 pm: let's see, hmm, an analogy I can use,
[CJsHere] 10:11 pm: you own a pack of cigarettes, they are yours because you
bought and paid for them, do with them as you please.
[CJsHere] 10:12 pm: that pack of cigarettes doesn't have the ability to establish
a desire to be owned,, it doesn't decide, hey, there's an owner I want,, the
submissive allows themselves to be "possessed",, they're essentially there
because they want to be,, no, that doesn't mean a slave doesn't want to be
owned,, because yes, most do.
[CJsHere] 10:12 pm: hmm, clear as mud,, but does that make sense?
[cece] 10:13 pm: so You are says a possession wants to be possessed?
[MrCAS] 10:13 pm: Like a lease car?
[cece] 10:13 pm: the desire is the difference?
[MrCAS] 10:14 pm: you can drive but you never own it
[CJsHere] 10:14 pm: not quite the same,,,
[CJsHere] 10:14 pm: look to the definition of possessed,
[Lobby]: blondie_E has left at 10:15 pm
[MrCAS] 10:15 pm: what I mean is.... you have to maintain it.... feed it.. wash
it... but you don't own it
[cece] 10:15 pm: here is the definition i found...the act or fact of possessing.
...2. the state of being possessed.
[CJsHere] 10:15 pm: yes,, a submissive can be possessed, as in a possession, but
don't you think it could also be an emotional state of being possessed
[CJsHere] 10:16 pm: Possession, having some degree of control over something else
[CJsHere] 10:17 pm: (taken from wikipedia)
[CJsHere] 10:17 pm: it is that control the Dominant exerts, and the submissive
submits to that gives the Dominant possession.
[cece] 10:18 pm: so the distinction You were making was that one possessed has a
degree of control and one owned does not?
[Sir Hardone40] 10:18 pm: But then is that not ownership
[Sir Hardone40] 10:18 pm: to a certain extent
[CJsHere] 10:18 pm: to an extent, yes cece
[Sir Hardone40] 10:18 pm: just not total
[CJsHere] 10:19 pm: ahh Hardone, Key words,, "to a certain extent".
[CJsHere] 10:19 pm: with a slave,, remove those words.
[cece] 10:19 pm: thank You, Sir
[CJsHere] 10:20 pm: I hope that answers the question cece,
[CJsHere] 10:20 pm: anyone else have any questions or comments?
[cece] 10:20 pm: yes Sir, depending on the definition You use, the distinction is
[CJsHere] 10:20 pm: what about you paige, have we lost you yet?
[paige] 10:21 pm: no Sir, just listening
[CJsHere] 10:21 pm: nods,, Okay, looking to the clock, I guess I've rambled away
for an hour.. any of the Dom's have anything to add? CAS, Jimmy, Brite?
[Jimmy13532000] 10:22 pm: I think that pretty much covers it and gives E/everyone
some good things to think about.
[Briteyes] 10:22 pm: not really anything here
[CJsHere] 10:22 pm: nods to Jimmy, and Brite, fire, would you like to comment, or
[fire_AsjFG] 10:22 pm: nothing to add Master....thank You for an informative
class as usual...:)
[littlesub_ST] 10:23 pm: ty Sir CJ
[CJsHere] 10:23 pm: nod, ty fire,, girls, anything you'd like to add?
[paige] 10:23 pm: yes, thank you for the information Sir
[CJsHere] 10:23 pm: any questions or comments by anyone?
[halmond] 10:23 pm: thank You Sir CJ
[Briteyes] 10:23 pm: just one
[cricket_NF] 10:23 pm: so...basically, a submissive is a possestion but not owned
and can set limits and has a "right" to make decisions, a slave is owned and has
no say.? am i correct..of course that is completly simplified and thereis more
[cece] 10:23 pm: nothing else Sir, thank You
[CJsHere] 10:24 pm: as always, I do thank everyone for attending,, your
participation is what makes these discussions what they are.. and yes, I do hope
they help, or at least set you to thinking a bit,
[CJsHere] 10:24 pm: reads crickets comment,
[Briteyes] 10:24 pm: that IMO most M/s start as D/s........ not many start as a
slave from the ones I actually no its grown into over time
[CJsHere] 10:25 pm: nods, that's over simplified,,, but yes, it's essentially
true,, but now to really confuse you, don't forget reality,, because the bottom
line reality is, yes, even a slave has limits, and to some extent choices,
emotions and feelings that her Dominant must deal with and respect.
[CJsHere] 10:25 pm: now, does that confuse you?
[cricket_NF] 10:25 pm: and here is where my confusion truely lies...lmao
[CJsHere] 10:25 pm: and yes, I quite agree with Brite,, a true slave may take
literally years to progress from submissive to slave,
[CJsHere] 10:26 pm: and that's okay, don't think for a moment it's not.
[paige] 10:26 pm: Thank you Sirs and Lady and everyone for allowing me to sit in
[CJsHere] 10:27 pm: regardless of the role, submissive or slave, don't forget,
there are needs to be tended to, emotional, physical, psychological and mroe
[Briteyes] 10:27 pm: please come back again soon paige
[CJsHere] 10:27 pm: more
[CJsHere] 10:27 pm: nods to paige, you're always welcome girl, and I hope we'll
see more of you, I think I speak for all in saying so.
[CJsHere] 10:28 pm: does that answer your question crickett?
[fire_AsjFG] 10:28 pm: bug... you have more questions?
[paige] 10:28 pm: I dont remember what I am supposed to say to leave so I will
just say thank you again and good night to all
[cricket_NF] 10:28 pm: somewhat lol Sir CJ
[fire_AsjFG] 10:28 pm: no worries paige :)
[Lobby]: paige has left at 10:28 pm
[CJsHere] 10:28 pm: nods to paige, you said it,, sleep safely little one,
[cricket_NF] 10:28 pm: but, honestly i could hold things up for hours but wont.
[littlesub_ST] 10:28 pm: bye paige nice meeting you
[cricket_NF] 10:28 pm: thank you for your time
[Briteyes] 10:29 pm: chirpie go for it what better do W/we have to do ;)
[CJsHere] 10:29 pm: k, if it didn't answer cricket, ask away,
[CJsHere] 10:29 pm: I dont know, but we can blame it on pet,
[CJsHere] 10:30 pm: she's been quiet all night,
[sgpet] 10:30 pm: what.. sorry was afk for a little while
[CJsHere] 10:30 pm: lol.
[sgpet] 10:30 pm: busted
[CJsHere] 10:30 pm: see,, it comes out..
[CJsHere] 10:30 pm: figured you and jaz were off having coffee.
[sgpet] 10:31 pm: lol think i had my fill of coffe tonight.. two pots now and
going strong... lol
[CJsHere] 10:31 pm: okay all,, something tells Me I've answered everyone’s
questions, if I haven't, don't hesitate to PM Me and we can tackle these one on
[jazmin] 10:31 pm: lol i just actually got a cup gosh your good SirCJ
[Jimmy13532000] 10:32 pm: ok, time for me to get going for the night, E/everyone
have a goodnight and week
[Briteyes] 10:32 pm: hey or if S/some would like we can go to Dom and subs and
[Briteyes] 10:32 pm: nite Jimmy
[littlesub_ST] 10:32 pm: gnight Sir
[CJsHere] 10:32 pm: again, I thank all for their attendance here this evening,,
I'm gonna take a 5 min finger break, will be back then,